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DISCUSSIONS ON THE DOCTRINE OF THE DEVIL Series COMPLETE SET

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Complete set of all 3 volumes on the Discussions of the Doctrine of the Devil, including approximately 900 pages of recorded discussions on the Devil from various viewpoints, as well as many charts, diagrams, and tables.

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Complete paperback set of all 3 volumes on the Discussions of the Doctrine of the Devil, including approximately 900 pages of recorded discussions on the Devil from various viewpoints, as well as many charts, diagrams, and tables. These books contain the written record of discussions on this subject between a large number of ministers and teachers from various positions on this subject - from those teaching the various viewpoints of the Devil as a personal being or the flesh among our churches to the Christadelphian and medieval rabbinic views of the Devil as the flesh that preceded the similar teaching among some of our churches. As these discussions were hosted by our international ministry arm and private online discussion group (of the church here in Mansfield, Ohio), at various times and in various venues, the principal presenter and defender (though there are many others involved) of the view of the Devil's personhood in these discussions is Bro. Baer.

WARNING LABEL: Some of the interactions recorded in these discussions are very blunt in their analysis of the weaknesses of certain views of the Devil and this could be potentially offensive to some. In addition, those who are unwilling to consider (or reconsider) their position, no matter what information is presented, may become aggravated by the technical and rhetorical arguments given that strongly suggest that certain view can only be, at the very best, speculative theories, and once the whole of Scripture is examined in light of the only acceptable use of language and grammar, that may not even be the case. Finally, this material is NOT intended for those who are working under other ministers (especially those who believe differently than Bro. Baer is presenting in these books), as it is not our intent to present teaching to those who are under the oversight of other ministers. For that reason Bro. Baer has asked that ONLY ministers OR those who first have the approval of their pastor or overseer request these materials.


The table of contents for each book is below.

Table of Contents for Book One:

TABLE OF CONTENTS

INTRODUCTION

7

EDITORIAL PREFACE

11

EXAMINING OUR ASSUMPTIONS REGARDING THE DOCTRINE OF THE DEVIL

(DISCUSSION)

15

THEORIES ABOUT THE DEVIL VERSUS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE DEVIL

(DISCUSSION)

97

SCRIPTURAL TRUTH

VERSUS SPECULATIVE THEORY

(DIAGRAM)

101

THE TEACHING THAT THE DEVIL IS THE FLESH: SPECULATIVE THEORY OR DOGMATIC TRUTH?

(TABLE)

102

THE ENDLESSLY CIRCULAR NATURE

OF THE PRESENT DISCUSSION ON

THE DOCTRINE OF THE DEVIL

(DIAGRAM)

104

THE OBTUSE OVERCOMPLIFICATION AND EXCESSIVE ALLEGORIZATION OF THE TEACHING THAT THE DEVIL IS THE FLESH

(DISCUSSION)

105

WHICH INTERPRETATION IS MORE

BIBLICALLY CONSISTENT?

(DIAGRAM)

110

THE “SPIN THE WHEEL”

SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETIVE APPROACH

TO THE TITLES OF SATAN / THE DEVIL USED BY THOSE WHO BELIEVE THE DEVIL IS THE FLESH

(DIAGRAM)

111

THE IDENTITY OF THE SERPENT

IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN

(DISCUSSION)

113

EVIDENCE THAT THE SERPENT IN THE GARDEN WAS AN INDIVIDUAL ENTITY THAT WAS

SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM ADAM AND EVE

(TABLE)

202

EVIDENCE THAT THE SERPENT IN THE GARDEN WAS AN INDIVIDUAL ENTITY AND NOT AN ALLEGORICAL EXPRESSION FOR THE CARNAL NATURE OF A MAN OR ALL MANKIND

(TABLE)

206

FOUR SIMPLE REASONS THAT THE SERPENT BEING COMPARED WITH “BEASTS” IN GENESIS 3:1 IS NOT EVIDENCE OF HIM BEING THE HUMAN “BEASTLY” NATURE OR SOMETHING HUMAN LIKE THE “BEASTS” THAT ARE HUMAN KINGDOMS

(TABLE)

208

HUMAN BEINGS CALLED “SERPENTS”

(OR SIMILAR TITLES) IN THE BIBLE

(TABLE)

210

ONLY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING IS ACTUALLY WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES ABOUT THE EVENTS OF THE FALL IN THE GARDEN

(DIAGRAM)

215

THE LAMB OF GOD AND LAMBS IN CONTRAST TO THE SERPENT AND SERPENTS

(DISCUSSION)

216

THE LAMB AND LAMBS / SHEEP AND THE SERPENT / DRAGON AND SERPENTS / DRAGONS

(DIAGRAM)

225

THE LAMB VERSUS THE SERPENT

(TABLE)

226

EXAMPLES OF TITLES USED BY HUMANS THAT ORIGINATED WITH CELESTIAL BEINGS

(TABLE)

227

EXAMPLES OF ZOOMORPHIC TITLES USED FOR HUMANS IN THE BIBLE THAT ORIGINATED WITH ANIMALS

(TABLE)

230

TWO UNSTABLE PILLARS

UPON WHICH THE INTERPRETATION THAT

THE DEVIL IS THE FLESH RESTS

(DIAGRAM AND DISCUSSION)

234

OLD TESTAMENT USES OF THE TITLE SATAN

(TABLE)

247

BIBLICAL EXAMPLES OF THE HEBREW WORD SATAN USED FOR AN ADVERSARY

(TABLE)

248

BIBLICAL EXAMPLES OF THE GREEK WORD SATANAS USED FOR AN ADVERSARY

(TABLE)

254

A FINAL NOTE

263

SCRIPTURE INDEX

265

Table of Contents for Book Two:

TABLE OF CONTENTS

INTRODUCTION

7

EDITORIAL PREFACE

11

WHO OR WHAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ORIGIN AND THE OCCURRING OF EVIL?

(DISCUSSION)

15

BIBLICAL REFERENCES AND ALLUSIONS TO

SATAN’S ORIGINAL FALL AND CORRUPTION

(DISCUSSION)

26

THE INCONSISTENCY OF THE TEACHING THAT THE DEVIL IS THE FLESH AS SEEN IN ITS INTERPRETATION OF THE TITLE “PRINCE”

(TABLE)

41

THE IDENTITY OF SATAN IN THE BOOK OF JOB

(DISCUSSION)

45

TWO DIFFERENT HANDS OF TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES INVOLVED IN THE TESTING OF JOB

(DIAGRAM)

75

SUPERNATURAL (MORE THAN HUMAN) ACTIONS OF SATAN IN THE BOOK OF JOB

(DIAGRAM)

76

BIBLICAL EXAMPLES OF SUPERNATURAL ABILITIES AND ACTIONS OF THE DEVIL THAT ARE MORE THAN HUMAN AND BEYOND THE CAPACITY OF A HUMAN OR THE CARNAL HUMAN NATURE

(TABLE)

77

THE TESTIMONY OF ELIPHAZ

WHAT PARTS OF IT ARE TRUE AND WHICH ARE FALSE?

(TABLE)

82

THE THREE HEAVENS THAT CONSTITUTE OVERALL HEAVEN, THE HEAVENLY REALM, OR THE HEAVENS

(DIAGRAM)

88

WHAT THE EVENTS OF JOB 1 – 2 TELL US ABOUT GOD’S METHODS AND SATAN’S SUBORDINATE ROLE

(DISCUSSION)

89

JOB 4:18-19 AND 15:15-16

(DISCUSSION)

100

SATAN IN ZECHARIAH 3

(DISCUSSION)

120

MATTHEW 16:23

WHO IS BEING CALLED “SATAN” BY JESUS?

(DISCUSSION)

129

THE NATURE OF CELESTIAL ANGELS

AS IT RELATES TO THE DEVIL BEING

A CELESTIAL ANGEL

(DISCUSSION)

141

BIBLICAL EVIDENCE FOR AND AGAINST THE CELESTIAL ANGELS HAVING THE CAPACITY TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, FEEL DESIRE FOR GOOD OR EVIL, AND CHOOSE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL

(TABLE)

202

CELESTIAL ANGELS’ ABILITY OR INABILITY TO DISCERN AND CHOOSE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL

(DISCUSSION)

206

CAN CELESTIAL ANGELS CHOOSE EVIL OR ACT IN EVIL WAYS?

(DISCUSSION)

211

DOES THE BIBLE TEACH THAT CELESTIAL ANGELS CANNOT BE MORALLY CORRUPTED?

(DISCUSSION)

229

THE ARBITRARY AND INCONSISTENT INTERPRETATION OF THE TITLES MALAKH AND ANGELOS USED FOR “ANGELS” BY THOSE WHO BELIEVE THE DEVIL IS THE FLESH

(DISCUSSION)

235

WHICH INTERPRETATION REGARDING CELESTIAL BEINGS REQUIRES LESS ARBITRARY INTERPRETATION AND IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE WHOLE TESTIMONY OF THE BIBLE?

(TABLE)

247

USE OF THE TITLE “ANGEL” IN THE OLD TESTAMENT VERSUS THE NEW TESTAMENT

(TABLE)

248

USE OF THE HEBREW WORD MALAKH FOR A CELESTIAL “ANGEL” OR HUMAN “MESSENGER” IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

(DIAGRAM)

250

USE OF THE GREEK WORD ANGELOS FOR A CELESTIAL “ANGEL” OR HUMAN “MESSENGER” IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

(DIAGRAM)

252

USE OF THE GREEK WORD ANGELOS FOR A CELESTIAL “ANGEL” OR HUMAN “MESSENGER” IN THE NEW TESTAMENT MADE BY THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT THE DEVIL IS THE HUMAN CARNAL NATURE OR THE PRODUCTS (PEOPLE, GROUPS, GOVERNMENTS, ETC.) OF THE HUMAN CARNAL NATURE AND THAT THERE ARE NO EVIL SUPERNATURAL BEINGS

(DIAGRAM)

254

1 PETER 1:12

(DISCUSSION)

256

IF EVIL SPIRITS ARE ONLY THE SPIRITS OR MENTAL CONDITIONS OF THE HUMAN MEN WHO ARE POSSESED, OR OPPRESSED, BY THEM, WHY DO THEY SEEM TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE THAT OTHER HUMANS DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE?

(DISCUSSION)

260

THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CHRIST AND HIS IDENTITY THAT EVIL SPIRITS / DEVILS DEMONSTRATED

THAT PROVES THAT THOSE POSSESSED BY THEM WERE NOT JUST MENTALLY ILL HUMAN BEINGS

(TABLE)

263

A FINAL NOTE

267

SCRIPTURE INDEX

269

Table of Contents for Book Three:

TABLE OF CONTENTS

INTRODUCTION

7

EDITORIAL PREFACE

11

THE THREE SPHERES OF SPIRITUAL CONFLICT

(DIAGRAM)

14

THE TWO DIFFERENT ENEMIES

OF THE FLESH AND THE DEVIL

(DISCUSSION)

15

THE TEMPTATION OF JESUS

(DISCUSSION)

59

THE IDENTITY OF THE DEVIL WHO TEMPTED JESUS IN THE WILDERNESS

(TABLE)

65

LUKE 13:16

(DISCUSSION)

72

ISAIAH 14 AND EZEKIEL 28 AS POTENTIAL PROPHETIC REFERENCES TO SATAN

(DISCUSSION)

76

EXAMPLES OF THE SUPERNATURAL DESCRIPTIONS USED OF THE INDIVIDUAL IN EZEKIEL 28:11-19

(TABLE)

111

TITLES USED FOR THE INDIVIDUAL

IN EZEKIEL 28:11-19

(TABLE)

115

EZEKIEL 28 AND ISAIAH 14 SYMBOLIC PARALLELS

(TABLE)

116

BIBLE USE OF THE HEBREW WORD CHERUBIM

(DIAGRAM)

118

2 PETER 2:4 AND JUDE 6

(DISCUSSION)

121

SATAN AS A SPIRITUAL FATHER: THE DRAGON AND DRAGONS, THE SEED OF THE SERPENT, AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL

(DISCUSSION)

126

THE GREAT RED DRAGON, THE DRAGON OR BEAST, AND THE SEED OF THE SERPENT

AND CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL

(DIAGRAM)

137

JESUS VERSUS SATAN

COMPARISONS AND CONTRASTS IN PERSON, POSITION, AND OPERATION

(TABLE)

138

THE BIBLICAL USE OF THE TITLES

“FATHER” AND “CHILDREN”

(DISCUSSION)

153

TWO “FATHERS”AND TWO SETS OF CHILDREN: ABRAHAM AND HIS CHILDREN

AND THE DEVIL HIS CHILDREN

(TABLE)

172

EPHESIANS 2:1-3

(DISCUSSION)

174

1 PETER 5:8

(DISCUSSION)

190

THE EARLIEST JEWISH TRADITIONS REGARDING THE IDENTITY AND ACTIVITIES OF SATAN

(DISCUSSION)

201

THE EARLIEST POST-BIBLICAL PERIOD CHRISTIAN TEACHING REGARDING THE IDENTITY AND ACTIVITIES OF SATAN

(DISCUSSION)

210

THE MISUSE OF THE WORD “ADVERSARY” AND “THE ADVERSARY” TO CONFLATE A CONDITION WITH A PERSON

(DISCUSSION)

221

WHY THE PROPER VIEW OF THE DEVIL,

AS A SUPERNATURAL ENTITY, DOES NOT AFFECT

A BIBLICALLY CORRECT VIEW OF

THE HUMAN CARNAL NATURE

(DISCUSSION)

238

COMPLETE AND CLEAR SPIRITUAL VISION REGARDING THE IDENTITIES OF

THE DEVIL AND THE FLESH

(DIAGRAM)

246

INCOMPLETE AND PARTIALLY BLIND

SPIRITUAL VISION REGARDING THE IDENTITIES OF THE DEVIL AND THE FLESH

(DIAGRAM)

247

A SIMPLE SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WE DO, AND DO NOT, BELIEVE ABOUT THE DEVIL

(DISCUSSION)

250

THREE VIEWS OF THE IDENTITY OF THE DEVIL

(DIAGRAM)

260

RESULTS OF DIFFERENT BELIEFS REGARDING THE IDENTITY OF THE DEVIL

(DIAGRAM)

261

A FINAL NOTE

263

SCRIPTURE INDEX

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  • I would like to have your USB flash drive of 2005-2015. How do I order and pay?

    • Bro. Cohenour,
      The fastest way is to go directly through the Bookstore link at the top of the home page. The USB flash drive is in the Media section of the Bookstore, where it can be ordered directly with most forms of payment. Please let us know if there is any other way we can be of service.
      Mansfield GAC staff

  • How do I sign in

  • My Dear Brother
    I am in process to order the 2005-2015 USB Flash Drive and am kind of confused about the others $20 and $30. Are they the same or something different? Please, if you don’t mine, remind me the Password again because I can not sign in
    Thank you so much and God bless you richly
    Bro Gerard D. Charles.

    • Bro Charles,
      I believe there are 2 different USB drives in the bookstore. One is a 32gb drive from 2005-2015. I believe it is about $50. The other is an 8gb drive with 2016 material. I think it is $30. I’ll have the folks email you a password as soon as possible.

      God bless you my friend,

      Bro Baer

      • Good Morning Brother Baer,

        I would love to ask you a question in regards to numerical symbolism, as mentioned in your book called “The Tabernacle of the Lord”. The number 60 is a multiple of 144,000 and you gave an example as follows:
        60 x 2400 = 144000. Would you be so kind shedding some light about 2400 and what does that number represent?

        Thank you so much in advance Bro. Baer
        God bless!

  • Actually the 2016 USB drive is $20

  • Thank you very much for your quick answer. I just ordered all three. I would like to get access to the ministerial sessions, but I forget the password.

  • Where is your 2017 USB? I can’t find it and would like to order it.

  • I thank God every day that Bro. Baer is making all his knowledge that he studied, etc. for years available to us. It makes it so easy for us to study, understand and learn. I’ve been praying, needing and wanting this forever and so many others. He is perfectly in God’s will to do this for us.

    I thank the ones that are taking their time to develop these websites.

    God Bless you all!

    Becky Burke
    Frankfort Christian Assembly

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  • May be a silly question. . .
    I see the study on Elijah Part 1. Does that mean a Part 2 is forthcoming? Are any of the study pages on Facebook?

    • Bro. Baer has been talking about going through John’s Epistles in a Bible study next, and possibly some additional discussions on the Godhead, as the subject has been stirring up a lot of conversation among the international ministry he is working with. He has talked about more on Elijah in the future, as well as completing the Song of Solomon

  • Sorry, forgot my other silly question. . . .

    I have the Book on Ruth? Is there a study guide available with it or any of the other studies? I am so excited to begin reading and studying these topics.

    Are certificates available for completion or just on certain topics presented?

    Last question, can any of us from other assemblies stream in on the Friday night Bible Studies? If so, I would love to have the option to do so.

    Sister Chris Ann Konrad,
    Louisville, KY
    Christian Assembly
    Pastor: Brother Lyle Gillespie

    • The main thing we’ve used as a “study guide” for the Book of Ruth is the CD sets of the actual classes. Usually the “live” classes are taught first and then the material might be made into a book. For that reason they sometimes go into more detail or side discussion that may not be included in the book. We have put a few classes online in a password protected area for any of the ministers overseas Bro. Baer is working with, or for any others who would like to go through these. Bro. Baer has always stressed this is open to all as long as pastors of other assemblies among us are in acceptance of doing so. It sounds like he intends to add a number of others of these certificate classes, depending on how the first work out

  • We surely desire to study all of the wisdom God has given you and enlightened you with, Brother Baer. Your books are confirmation of the hope and shewbread we have been feeding on for many decades. I am forever awed by the beautifully simplified relationship to Christ obtained with the understanding in approaching Him unto my goal to serve at the Golden Altar until I am resting under it – with your helping sermons and book on the Tabernacle of the Lord.
    Listening to your sermons on a continual basis throughout my long commutes has given me present and revealing convictions about issues pertaining to life, Godliness, and the present world. You recently opened my eyes to understand what things were that I had been on different ground about in days prior, but hadn’t known what I needed to know to have such holy conviction as I have today about what is right. It is nice to be able to feel the way God does about something you just revealed to me and convicted my heart of, that I misunderstood prior.
    Innocent Blood Audio sermon surely brought forth some righteous results and clarified my thinking about the same, so that I could in truth be washed more white than snow with the precious blood of Jesus and sort out a greater separation from their murders.

  • October 3, 2020 9:16 am

    Good Morning Brother Baer,

    I would love to ask you a question in regards to numerical symbolism, as mentioned in your book called “The Tabernacle of the Lord”. The number 60 is a multiple of 144,000 and you gave an example as follows:
    60 x 2400 = 144000. Would you be so kind shedding some light about 2400 and what does that number represent?

    Thank you so much in advance Bro. Baer
    God bless!

    • Bro. Charles, It is always good to hear from you my friend. I sent an email response to this question which was a little more detailed, but the shorter answer is that unless the Bible uses a number in a way that clearly shows what it is symbolic of (like how it uses the numbers 7, 10 12, etc.), if it is a bigger number (like 60, 2400, or 144,0000), the way we’ve usually tried to determine its symbolism is by breaking it up into pieces that are divisible by numbers that we do know the symbolism of. For example, since 144,000 is 12,000 x 12, and we know 12 is often symbolic of government, the fact that this is 12 x 12,000 seems to imply a much higher, more expanded form of government than any other. The same might be true of dividing it up by a number like 2400, which is 24 (12×2) x 100 (10×10), which, when taken down to its divisible parts like that, might represent government (12) and judgement (10). It might also be that that the numbers 12,000 (in 12 x 12,000 = 144,000) and 2,400 (12 x 200) might be alluding to the 1,000-year Millennial Reign period, as each are in the thousands, but the base number they are made up of that is most symbolically significant is 12 (government), so “the government” during the Millennial Reign. All that shows how complicated attempting to unravel numerical symbolism can be.

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